{"id":111664,"date":"2022-11-24T12:15:09","date_gmt":"2022-11-24T12:15:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/staging.worldslastchance.com\/wlc-article\/migrating-daca-yahushua-este-pre-existent-nu-are-natura-omeneasca-ioan-175\/"},"modified":"2025-08-22T15:12:09","modified_gmt":"2025-08-22T15:12:09","slug":"daca-yahushua-este-pre-existent-nu-are-natura-omeneasca-ioan-175","status":"publish","type":"wlc-article","link":"https:\/\/staging.worldslastchance.com\/ro\/articles\/curente-doctrinare\/daca-yahushua-este-pre-existent-nu-are-natura-omeneasca-ioan-175\/","title":{"rendered":"Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent, nu are natur\u0103 omeneasc\u0103, Ioan 17:5"},"content":{"rendered":"<table align=\"center\" bgcolor=\"#ffffff\" border=\"1\" bordercolor=\"#000000\" height=\"44\" style=\"border-collapse:collapse;border:undefined;\" width=\"100%\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"100%\">\n<p class=\"indenttext\" style=\"text-align:justify\">Acesta este un articol non-WLC. C\u00e2nd folosim resurse de la autori externi, public\u0103m doar con\u021binutul care este 100% \u00een armonie cu Biblia \u0219i credin\u021bele biblice actuale ale WLC. Astfel de articole pot fi tratate ca \u0219i cum ar veni direct din WLC. Am fost foarte binecuv\u00e2nta\u021bi de slujirea multor slujitori ai lui Yahuwah. Dar nu \u00eei sf\u0103tuim pe membrii no\u0219tri s\u0103 exploreze alte lucr\u0103ri ale acestor autori. Astfel de lucr\u0103ri, le-am exclus din publica\u021bii deoarece con\u021bin erori. Din p\u0103cate, \u00eenc\u0103 nu am g\u0103sit o lucrare f\u0103r\u0103 erori. Dac\u0103 e\u0219ti \u0219ocat de un con\u021binut [articole\/episoade] care nu este publicat \u00een WLC, \u021bine cont de Proverbele 4:18. \u00cen\u021belegerea noastr\u0103 a adev\u0103rului S\u0103u evolueaz\u0103, pe m\u0103sur\u0103 ce se arunc\u0103 mai mult\u0103 lumin\u0103 pe calea noastr\u0103. Pre\u021buim adev\u0103rul mai mult dec\u00e2t via\u021ba \u0219i \u00eel c\u0103ut\u0103m oriunde poate fi g\u0103sit.<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"dac\u0103-yahushua-este pre-existent- el-nu are- natur\u0103-uman\u0103-ioan-17:5\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/If20Yahushua20pre-existed20he20wasnt20a20human-1-romanian.png\" style=\"width: 725px; height: 460px;\"><\/p>\n<p>Mul\u021bi trinitarieni cred c\u0103 rug\u0103ciunea lui Yahushua din Evanghelia dup\u0103 Ioan 17:5 arat\u0103 c\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent:<\/p>\n<p>\u201eiar acum, Tat\u0103, prosl\u0103ve\u0219te-m\u0103 \u00eenaintea ta, cu slava pe care am primit-o de la tine, \u00eenainte de a fi creat lumea.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ca \u0219i \u00een cazul oric\u0103rui pasaj biblic disputat trebuie s\u0103 lu\u0103m \u00een considerare contextul declara\u021biei lui Yahushua \u00een aceast\u0103 rug\u0103ciune c\u0103tre Yahuwah (Tat\u0103l). Doar dou\u0103 propozi\u021bii mai \u00eenainte, cum este scris \u00een Ioan 17:3, Yahushua i-a \u00een\u0103l\u021bat o rug\u0103ciune lui Yahuwah: &#8222;Tat\u0103 (17:1) \u2026 aceasta este via\u021ba ve\u0219nic\u0103, pentru c\u0103 ei te cunosc pe tine, <b><u>singurul Dumnezeu adev\u0103rat<\/u><\/b>, \u0219i pe Yahushua, Mesia, pe care l-ai trimis.\u201d \u00cen Ioan 17:5, dou\u0103 propozi\u021bii dup\u0103 ce Yahushua a spus c\u0103 Tat\u0103l este singurul Dumnezeu adev\u0103rat, ar fi bizar pentru Yahushua s\u0103 sugereze c\u0103 \u0219i el, Yahushua \u00eensu\u0219i, este de asemenea Dumnezeu.<\/p>\n<p><b><u>Tat\u0103l = Yahuwah<\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Rug\u0103ciunea lui Yahushua din Ioan 17 este \u00eendreptat\u0103 c\u0103tre \u201eTat\u0103l\u201d. \u00cen Noul Testament, Tat\u0103l lui Yahushua este sinonim cu \u201eYahuwah\u201d. C\u00e2nd Yahushua spune \u201eTat\u0103\u201d, el se refer\u0103 la \u201eDumnezeu\u201d. Aduc\u00e2nd premise textului, trinitarienii analizeaz\u0103 aceast\u0103 rug\u0103ciune \u0219i v\u0103d \u201eDumnezeu Fiul\u201d apel\u00e2nd la Dumnezeu Tat\u0103l pentru a reprimi \u00eenapoi slava pe care El, \u201eDumnezeu Fiul\u201d, a avut-o \u00eenainte \u00eentr-o existen\u021b\u0103 pre-uman\u0103. Dar aceast\u0103 interpretare \u00een\u021belege gre\u0219it paternitatea lui Yahuwah \u00een Biblie. \u00cen Biblie, paternitatea lui Yahuwah este o metafor\u0103 care descrie rela\u021bia lui Dumnezeu cu omenirea (Exod 4:22, Isaia 63:16, Osea. 11:1, Matei 5:45, 6:9, Ioan 20:17). Din punct de vedere biblic, paternitatea lui Yahuwah <b><u>nu <\/u><\/b>descrie o rela\u021bie metafizic\u0103 a unei persoane a \u201eDumnezeirii\u201d cu alta.<\/p>\n<p>Deasemenea, Biblia nu descrie gloria destinat\u0103 lui lui Mesia, \u0219i onoarea de a sta la dreapta Tat\u0103lui Atotputernic c\u0103 pe ceva de Mesia a avut \u00een trecut, c\u0103 ceva ce i se luase c\u0103 ulterior sa \u00eei fie dat\u0103 \u00eenapoi. \u00cen schimb, \u00een\u0103l\u021barea \u0219i slava lui Mesia au fost prezise \u00een Vechiul Testament \u0219i apoi \u00eemplinite prin Yahushua. Yahushua a spus: \u201eO, c\u00e2t de nes\u0103bui\u0163i \u015fi de \u00eence\u0163i la inim\u0103 sunte\u0163i c\u00e2nd este vorba s\u0103 crede\u0163i tot ce au spus profe\u0163ii! Nu trebuia oare Cristosul s\u0103 sufere aceste lucruri \u015fi s\u0103 intre \u00een slava Lui? (Luca 24:25-26).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"femeie de culoare g\u00e2nditoare\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/pensive-black-woman.jpg\" style=\"width: 725px; height: 376px;\"><\/p>\n<p><b><u>Vorbind despre lucruri inexistente \u00eenc\u0103 la fel c\u0103 \u0219i c\u00e2nd ar exista<\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Interpretarea trinitarian\u0103 a versetului din Ioan 17:5 nu reu\u0219e\u0219te s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 c\u0103 ambii, Yahuwah \u0219i Yahushua, prin profe\u021bii S\u0103i, <b>vorbesc despre lucruri predeterminate (sau despre oameni precunoscu\u021bi) ca \u0219i cum ar exista deja<\/b>. Observa\u021bi cuvintele lui Yahushua \u00een aceea\u0219i rug\u0103ciune din Ioan 17 doar 15 versete mai t\u00e2rziu:<\/p>\n<p>\u201e\u0218i m\u0103 rog nu numai pentru ace\u015ftia, ci \u015fi pentru cei ce vor crede \u00een Mine prin cuv\u00e2ntul lor, &#8230; <b>Eu le-am dat slava pe care Mi-ai dat-o Tu<\/b>, pentru ca ei s\u0103 fie una, a\u015fa cum \u015fi Noi suntem una;\u201d (Ioan 17:20-22).<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Aici Yahushua a spus c\u0103<b> i s-a dat deja slava <\/b>care-i fusese destinat\u0103. \u00cens\u0103 slava lui nu a fost dat\u0103 literal, deoarece Yahushua nu murise \u00eenc\u0103, ridicat \u0219i \u00een\u0103l\u021bat la dreapta lui Yahuwah cel Atotputernic (Luca 24:25-26). Yahushua a spus c\u0103 slava fusese deja dat\u0103 pentru c\u0103 el \u0219tia c\u0103 Yahuwah promisese slava. Acordarea gloriei este la fel de \u201ebun\u0103 ca \u0219i f\u0103cut\u0103\u201d, astfel \u00eenc\u00e2t Yahushua putea vorbi despre ea ca \u0219i cum ar fi avut-o deja.<\/li>\n<li>Yahushua a putut s\u0103 vorbeasc\u0103 <b>\u0219i despre slava pe care o d\u0103duse oamenilor care nu credeau \u00eenc\u0103 \u00een El.<\/b> Pentru unii dintre acei oameni, Yahushua a dat deja slav\u0103 care nici m\u0103car nu exista c\u00e2nd Yahushua a rostit aceste cuvinte. La fel cum Yahuwah a dat slava lui Mesia \u00eenainte ca Mesia s\u0103 existe, aici putem observa clar faptul c\u0103 Yahushua vorbe\u0219te despre slava pe care El a dat-o oamenilor \u00eenainte ca ei s\u0103 existe, literalmente.<\/li>\n<li>A\u0219a-numitii credincio\u0219i \u00een \u201edivinitatea lui Hristos\u201d insist\u0103 c\u0103 slava pe care Yahushua a avut-o \u0219i la care a renun\u021bat a fost slava Sa ca Yahuwah. Dar Yahushua vorbe\u0219te despre <b>aceea\u0219i slav\u0103<\/b> pe care Tat\u0103l (deja) i-a dat-o lui, iar la r\u00e2ndul lui Yahushua a dat-o (deja) unor oameni care nu se n\u0103scuser\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103. Nu este evident c\u0103 slava pe care Yahuwah a dat-o lui Yahushua nu este slava lui Yahuwah?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Citind c\u00e2teva versete mai departe, \u00een Ioan 17:24, Yahushua reitereaz\u0103 rug\u0103ciunea sa din Ioan 17:5: \u201eAcum, prosl\u0103ve\u015fte-M\u0103 Tu, Tat\u0103, \u00een prezen\u0163a Ta, cu slava pe care o aveam \u00een prezen\u0163a Ta \u00eenainte de a fi lumea!\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>De notat faptul c\u0103 Yahushua a spus acela\u0219i lucru, dar \u00eentr-un mod u\u0219or diferit. Yahushua nu numai c\u0103 \u201ea avut\u201d glorie cu Tat\u0103l (17:5), \u00eens\u0103 slava i-a fost dat\u0103 17:24) \u00eenc\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cenc\u0103 o dat\u0103, rug\u0103ciunea lui Yahushua intr\u0103 \u00een conflict cu interpretarea divinit\u0103\u021bii lui Hristos de mai sus \u00een cel pu\u021bin dou\u0103 moduri semnificative:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Trebuie s\u0103 presupunem c\u0103 prima persoan\u0103 a Dumnezeirii a dat slav\u0103 \u0219i a iubit a doua persoan\u0103 a Dumnezeirii numai \u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii? De ce nu pentru totdeauna?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li>Tat\u0103l a <b>dat<\/b> slava Fiului \u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii. Aceasta \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 a existat un timp, chiar <b>\u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii<\/b>, c\u00e2nd a doua persoan\u0103 a Dumnezeirii nu a avut slav\u0103 \u0219i a primit slav\u0103. De ce prima persoan\u0103 a Dumnezeirii a trebuit s\u0103 dea slav\u0103 celei de-a doua persoane a Dumnezeirii \u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Interpre\u021bii divinit\u0103\u021bii lui Hristos creeaz\u0103 contradic\u021bii \u0219i dileme asem\u0103n\u0103toare acesteia, deoarece ceea ce cred ei nu este adev\u0103rul.<\/p>\n<p>Un principiu fundamental al interpret\u0103rii Scripturii este de a lua cuvintele \u00een contextul lor istoric \u0219i gramatical. \u00cen acest caz, trebuie doar s\u0103 ascult\u0103m \u00eenc\u0103 15 propozi\u021bii din rug\u0103ciunea lui Yahushua pentru a \u00een\u021belege mai bine ce a vrut s\u0103 spun\u0103 \u00een capitolul 17:5. \u00cen Ioan 17:20-24 Yahushua a folosit din nou limbajul \u201ea da slav\u0103\u201d \u0219i \u201ea avea slav\u0103\u201d \u00eenainte de existen\u021ba literal\u0103..<\/p>\n<p>Gloria pe care Yahuwah a planificat-o pentru Mesia Yahushua a spus-o folosind timpul trecut, la fel cum a vorbit la timpul trecut despre gloria pe care o va da viitorilor credincio\u0219i. Despre lucrurile predestinate se vorbe\u0219te c\u0103 acestea exist\u00e2nd deja fiindc\u0103 sunt \u201eca \u0219i f\u0103cute\u201d \u00een ochii lui Yahushua.<\/p>\n<table align=\"left\" border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"10\" cellspacing=\"5\" height=\"297\" style=\"margin-left: 10px;\" width=\"302\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: justify; padding: 7px\">\n<h2><font color=\"#666666\" face=\"Times New Roman\"><span> \u201eMai \u00eenainte s\u0103 te fi creat \u00een p\u00e2ntecele mamei tale, te cuno\u0219team, \u0219i mai \u00eenainte s\u0103 fi ie\u0219it din p\u00e2ntecele ei, te pusesem deoparte \u0219i te f\u0103cusem profet al neamurilor\u201d (Ieremia 1:5). <\/span><\/font><\/h2>\n<p align=\"left\"><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent, nu are natur\u0103 omeneasc\u0103, Ioan 17:5 image\" height=\"65\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/vEJ69Asr-quotation-marks-right-1.png\" title=\"\" width=\"80\"> <\/span><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold\"><\/span><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Un alt mod de a spune acest lucru este c\u0103 \u00een Biblie, o persoan\u0103 poate \u201eavea\u201d ceva \u00eenainte de a-l avea literalmente sau chiar \u00eenainte de a exista. Yahushua a spus c\u0103 cei s\u0103raci \u00een duh \u0219i cei persecuta\u021bi pentru dreptate vor avea \u00cemp\u0103r\u0103\u021bia cerurilor (Matei 5:3, 10). De\u0219i ace\u0219ti oameni nu aveau parte de \u00cemp\u0103r\u0103\u021bia Cerului \u00eenc\u0103, (ace\u0219tia erau s\u0103raci \u0219i persecuta\u021bi) au <b>avut-o.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Pavel a spus c\u0103 cei credincio\u0219ii \u00een singurul Dumnezeu adev\u0103rat \u0219i Mesia Yahushua au <b>primit<\/b> m\u00e2ntuire \u0219i o chemare sf\u00e2nt\u0103 chiar \u00eenainte c\u0103 ei s\u0103 existe. \u201e(Yahuwah) care ne-a m\u00e2ntuit \u0219i ne-a chemat la o chemare sf\u00e2nt\u0103, nu din cauza faptelor noastre, ci din cauza scopului \u0219i harului s\u0103u, <b>pe care ni l-a dat<\/b> prin Mesia Yahushua \u00eenainte de a \u00eencepe veacurile \u0219i care acum s-a manifestat. (2 Timotei 1:9-10). Pentru Pavel, a fi \u201epe deplin convins c\u0103 Yahuwah poate face ceea ce a promis\u201d este credin\u021ba m\u00e2ntuitoare (Romani 4:21).<\/p>\n<p>A\u0219a cum Ieremia a fost cunoscut mai dinainte \u0219i desemnat s\u0103 fie profet \u00eenainte de a fi format \u00een p\u00e2ntecele mamei sale, Yahushua deasemenea a fost cunoscut mai dinainte \u0219i desemnat s\u0103 fie Mesia:<\/p>\n<p>\u201eMai \u00eenainte s\u0103 te fi creat \u00een p\u00e2ntecele mamei tale, te cuno\u0219team, \u0219i mai \u00eenainte s\u0103 fi ie\u0219it din p\u00e2ntecele ei, te pusesem deoparte \u0219i te f\u0103cusem profet al neamurilor\u201d (Ieremia 1:5). <span lang=\"RO\" style=\"background:white\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><u>Un alt exemplu putem g\u0103si \u00een Isaia 53<\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Cei mai mul\u021bi cre\u0219tini ar fi de acord c\u0103 Isaia 53 este mesianic; adic\u0103, \u00een timp ce ne relateaz\u0103 \u0219irul evenimentelor na\u021biunii lui Israel, Isaia 53 ne spune cumva despre venirea lui Mesia (Ioan 12:37-38, 1 Pet. 2:24-25). Isaia 53 a fost scris cu sute de ani \u00eenainte de na\u0219terea lui Yahushua. Dar Isaia 53 este scris tot la timpul trecut. \u201eEl a crescut \u00eenaintea lui\u2026 El a fost dispre\u021buit \u0219i respins de oameni\u2026 El a n\u0103scut suferin\u021bele noastre\u2026 noi l-am considerat lovit\u2026 El a fost r\u0103nit\u2026 Yahuwah a pus asupra lui nelegiuirea noastr\u0103 a tuturor\u2026\u201d \u0219i tot a\u0219a, totul scris folosind timpul trecut. A pus Yahuwah asupra lui Yahushua, nelegiuirea noastr\u0103 a tuturor, \u00eenainte de 700 \u00ee.Hr.? Evident c\u0103 nu, dar totu\u0219i se vorbe\u0219te despre asta cu 700 de ani \u00eenainte ca s\u0103 se \u00eent\u00e2mple exact ca \u0219i cum s-ar fi \u00eent\u00e2mplat deja.<\/p>\n<p>Unii numesc acest limbaj \u201etimpul perfect profetic\u201d, deoarece cuvintele profe\u021bilor abordeaz\u0103 ceva ce urmeaz\u0103 s\u0103 vin\u0103, \u00eens\u0103 cuvintele sunt rostite ca \u0219i cum s-ar fi \u00eent\u00e2mplat deja, ca \u0219i cum au existat deja. Dac\u0103 Yahuwah o predestineaz\u0103 \u0219i este un lucru la fel de bun ca \u0219i f\u0103cut. \u00cen acela\u0219i fel, Yahushua ar putea spune c\u0103 Yahuwah \u201ei-a dat\u201d glorie \u00eenainte de a primi gloria.<\/p>\n<p><b><u>Un alt exemplu, Avram <\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Atunci c\u00e2nd Avram nu avea niciun urma\u0219, Yahuwah i-a spus: \u201e<b>AM D\u0102RUIT <\/b>(timpul trecut) acest p\u0103m\u00e2nt semin\u021biei tale (Geneza 15:18). \u00cenainte c\u0103 ei (sau el) s\u0103 existe, semin\u021biei lui Avram \u00eei fusese dat p\u0103m\u00e2ntul.<\/p>\n<p>C\u00e2nd Avraam a \u00eemb\u0103tr\u00e2nit \u0219i n-a avut nici un copil al f\u0103g\u0103duin\u021bei, Yahuwah i-a zis: \u201e<b>Te-AM F\u0102CUT <\/b>(timpul trecut) tat\u0103l multor neamuri.\u201d Chiar a\u0219a? Avraam, b\u0103tr\u00e2n \u0219i f\u0103r\u0103 copii, era deja tat\u0103l multor na\u021biuni? Acest lucru se datoreaz\u0103 faptului c\u0103 Yahuwah vorbe\u0219te despre lucruri care \u00eenc\u0103 nu exist\u0103 ca \u0219i cum ar exista deja (vezi Romani 4:17).<\/p>\n<p><b><u>Alte probleme g\u0103site \u00een interpretarea trinitarian\u0103 <\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Trinitarienii creeaz\u0103 probleme teologice uria\u0219e spun\u00e2nd c\u0103 Yahushua \u00ee\u0219i men\u021bioneaz\u0103 preexisten\u021ba \u0219i gloria sa, literal \u00een Ioan 17:5. S\u0103 fim clari: Yahushua nu face nici o preten\u021bie la divinitate \u00een Ioan 17:5, ca s\u0103 nu mai vorbim de a fi o parte a unei Dumnezeiri cu trei persoane. Nici Yahushua nu a spus c\u0103 a avut parte de glorie cu Yahuwah din totdeauna, doar \u00eenainte de a fi lumea, ceea ce este un mod neobi\u0219nuit de a descrie o glorie comun\u0103 a dou\u0103 persoane ale Dumnezeirii care exist\u0103 ve\u0219nic.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom:15.0pt\">\u00cen doctrin\u0103 trinitarian\u0103, \u201eDumnezeu Fiul\u201d nu a renun\u021bat la natura sa divin\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd a luat natura uman\u0103 la \u00eentrupare, adic\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd a devenit \u201epe deplin Dumnezeu \u0219i pe deplin om\u201d. Natura uman\u0103 a lui Yahushua nu a avut glorie divin\u0103 \u201e\u00eenainte de a exista lumea\u201d, deci aceasta trebuie s\u0103 fie natura divin\u0103 a \u201elui Dumnezeu Fiul\u201d, despre care se vorbe\u0219te \u00een Ioan 17:5.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom:15.0pt\">\u00cens\u0103 poate \u201eDumnezeu Fiul\u201d sa fie Dumnezeu cu adev\u0103rat f\u0103r\u0103 gloria sa?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Dac\u0103 Fiul a renun\u021bat la slava sa, Fiul nu este Dumnezeu, deoarece Yahuwah nu poate renun\u021ba la slava Sa.<\/li>\n<li>Dac\u0103 Fiul a avut glorie <b><i>cu<\/i><\/b> Yahuwah, Fiul nu este Yahuwah.<\/li>\n<li>Dac\u0103 Fiul i-a cerut lui Yahuwah s\u0103-i dea slava (\u00eenapoi), Fiul nu este Yahuwah.<\/li>\n<li>Dac\u0103 Fiului i-a fost dat\u0103 slav\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u00eentemeierea lumii (17:24), Fiul nu este Yahuwah.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Interpretarea trinitarian\u0103 a lui Ioan 17:5 sf\u00e2r\u0219e\u0219te prin a fi o plas\u0103 \u00eencurcat\u0103 de contradic\u021bii.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"t\u00e2n\u0103r de culoare, g\u00e2nditor cu m\u00e2na pe cap\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/pensive-black-man-scratching-head.jpg\" style=\"width: 725px; height: 484px;\"><\/p>\n<p>S\u0103 presupunem c\u0103 trinitarienii vor s\u0103 spun\u0103 c\u0103 Ioan 17:5 arat\u0103 c\u0103 Yahushua a preexistat. \u00cen acest caz, ei ar trebui s\u0103 fie adep\u021bi ai lui Arius din secolul 4th d.Hr., care credeau c\u0103 Logosul (Cuv\u00e2ntul), era un Dumnezeu mai mic sau un \u00eenger care a preexistat \u0219i a luat natura uman\u0103. Oricine care a avut glorie \u201ecu\u201d Yahuwah, \u00eentr-adev\u0103r \u0219i a primit slav\u0103, atunci nu a avut glorie \u201ecu\u201d Yahuwah, dar apoi prime\u0219te slav\u0103 din nou \u201ecu\u201d Yahuwah, nu este Yahuwah. La fel cum oricine care \u201emerge la Yahuwah\u201d nu este Yahuwah.<\/p>\n<p><b><u>Un mod mai bun de a \u00een\u021belege Ioan 17:5<\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<p>Mai degrab\u0103 dec\u00e2t amintirea unei a\u0219a-numite persoane divine eterne, Ioan 17:5 este o expresie (\u00een ajunul mor\u021bii prin r\u0103stignire) a omului Hristos Yahushua din Nazaret \u00een promisiunea lui Yahuwah. A\u0219a-numita interpretare a \u201edivinit\u0103\u021bii lui Hristos\u201d denigreaz\u0103, \u00eentr-adev\u0103r \u00eencearc\u0103 s\u0103 elimine omul Hristos Yahushua \u0219i \u00eencrederea pe care a pus-o \u00een Yahuwah, Dumnezeul s\u0103u.<\/p>\n<p>Dup\u0103 cum Yahuwah a dat s\u0103m\u00e2n\u021ba lui Avraam p\u0103m\u00e2ntul, chiar \u00eenainte de a exista, \u0219i dup\u0103 cum Yahuwah l-a f\u0103cut pe Avram tat\u0103l multor na\u021biuni, chiar \u00eenainte de a avea un fiu al f\u0103g\u0103duin\u021bei, Yahuwah a dat slav\u0103 lui Mesia Yahushua \u00eenainte c\u0103 el s\u0103 existe. Yahuwah vorbe\u0219te despre lucruri care nu sunt \u00eenc\u0103 ca \u0219i cum ele ar exista deja. Omul Hristos Yahushua a crezut \u00een \u00eentregime \u00een promisiunea hot\u0103r\u00e2t\u0103 pentru el cu mult timp \u00een urm\u0103.<\/p>\n<p><b><u>O avertizare <\/u><\/b><\/p>\n<table align=\"right\" border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"10\" cellspacing=\"5\" height=\"297\" style=\"margin-left: 10px;\" width=\"302\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: justify; padding: 7px\">\n<h2><font color=\"#666666\" face=\"Times New Roman\"><span>Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent ca Yahuwah, atunci, el nu este uman. Ar putea avea oricare alt\u0103 natur\u0103 dar nu pe cea omeneasc\u0103. Doctrina trinitarian\u0103 conduce, \u00een final, la negarea lui Yahushua ca om. <\/span><\/font><\/h2>\n<p align=\"left\"><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent, nu are natur\u0103 omeneasc\u0103, Ioan 17:5 image\" height=\"65\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/vEJ69Asr-quotation-marks-right-1.png\" title=\"\" width=\"80\"> <\/span><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"font-family: Georgia\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold\"><\/span><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Dac\u0103 Yahushua a pre-existat ca Yahuwah, el nu este un om. El ar fi un alt fel de creatur\u0103, dar nu o persoan\u0103 uman\u0103. Doctrina trinitariana, \u00een cele din urm\u0103, duce la o negare a omului Yahushua.<\/p>\n<p>A existat Adam \u00eenainte de a exista altceva dec\u00e2t \u00een planul \u0219i scopul lui Yahuwah? A existat vreo alt\u0103 fiin\u021b\u0103 uman\u0103 \u00eenainte de a exista, alta dec\u00e2t \u00een planul \u0219i scopul lui Yahuwah? (Aparent, mormonii cred c\u0103 oamenii au preexistat, dar acest lucru este nebiblic). Dac\u0103 Yahushua a pre-existat literalmente, atunci el nu este o fiin\u021b\u0103 uman\u0103; el este altceva. El nu este ca tine sau ca mine \u00een ceea ce ne face \u00een esen\u021b\u0103 umani. Yahushua, cu dou\u0103 firi, este un Clark Kent Superman, o fic\u021biune stiin\u021bifico-fantastic\u0103, un basm, o fantezie. Dac\u0103 Yahushua este Yahuwah care s-a \u00eentrupat, el nu este o persoan\u0103 uman\u0103 iar noi nu avem o jertf\u0103 pentru p\u0103cat (Romani 5:15, 17; 1 Tim. 2:5; 2 Cor. 5:21).<\/p>\n<p>Scripturile nu \u00eencearc\u0103 niciodat\u0103 s\u0103 spun\u0103 ceva de genul \u201eacesta este Yahushua cel uman\u201d, \u00eens\u0103 \u201eacesta este Yahushua cel divin\u201d. Un Yahushua cu dou\u0103 firi este o specula\u021bie filosofic\u0103, o fantezie. Moartea omului (nu cu dou\u0103 firi) Yahushua pe cruce, \u00eenvierea omului Yahushua din mor\u021bi \u0219i \u00een\u0103l\u021barea omului Yahushua la dreapta lui Yahuwah Atotputernic \u00een cer nu este o fantezie.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"yahushua-nu-a- pre-existat\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.worldslastchance.org\/2025\/08\/yahushua-did-not-preexist.jpg\" style=\"width: 725px; height: 227px;\"><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>Acesta este un articol non-WLC scris de c\u0103tre Bill Schlegel.<\/p>\n<p>Am scos din articolul original toate numele \u0219i titlurile p\u0103g\u00e2ne ale Tat\u0103lui \u0219i Fiului \u0219i le-am \u00eenlocuit cu numele date ini\u021bial. Mai mult, am restaurat \u00een Scripturi numele Tat\u0103lui \u0219i Fiului, a\u0219a cum au fost scrise ini\u021bial de autorii inspira\u021bi ai Bibliei. \u2013 Echipa WLC<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":106347,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":[],"class_list":["post-111664","wlc-article","type-wlc-article","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","wlc-article-category-curente-doctrinare","wlc-content-directory-yahushua-one-nature-100-human"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent, nu are natur\u0103 omeneasc\u0103, Ioan 17:5 - Worlds Last Chance<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/staging.worldslastchance.com\/articles\/winds-of-doctrine\/if-yahushua-pre-existed-he-wasnt-a-human-john-175\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"ro_RO\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Dac\u0103 Yahushua este pre-existent, nu are natur\u0103 omeneasc\u0103, Ioan 17:5 - Worlds Last Chance\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Acesta este un articol non-WLC. 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